[ANSOL-geral]Re: Ansol-geral digest, Vol 1 #591 - 14 msgs
Paulo André Guia Silva Gonçalves
pagsg arroba vizzavi.pt
Thu Oct 9 18:41:01 2003
Bom dia
Após ler o a discusão, pareceu-me que afinal eles não sabem o que dizem
contrapõe-se várias vezes, e não sabem avaliar a realidade. Posso ter lido mal
corriga-me se estiver enganado, mas com politicos assim não vamos a lado denhum!!!
Afinal que ficou mesmo dicidido?? ou foi só mais uma opturnidade de lançar bocas
uns aos outros???
Que politica e esta??
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> 1. [Fwd: IP enforcement directive] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Migu=
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> 2. [Fwd: Re: IP enforcement directive] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= =
Miguel Neves)
> 3. Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BANSOL-geral=5DAlgu=E9m_tem_TvCabo=3=
F?= (Paulo de Carvalho)
> 4. Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Algu=E9m_tem_TvCabo=3F?= (Paulo de Carva=
lho)
> 5. Ida =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E0?= AR (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Mi=
guel Neves)
> 6. Re: Ida =?iso-8859-1?q?=E0?= AR (Hugo Nogueira)
> 7. Reportagem sobre o Software Livre na Estramadura (Espanha) na Euron=
ews (Hugo Nogueira)
> 8. Re: Reportagem no Euronews sobre o GNU/Linex (Hugo Nogueira)
> 9. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Discuss=E3o?= na AR (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o=
?= Miguel Neves)
> 10. Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BANSOL-geral=5DDiscuss=E3o_na_AR?= (=
Paulo de Carvalho)
> 11. Re: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BANS?=
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?OL-geral=5DDiscuss=E3o?= na AR (Ruben Leote=
Mendes)
> 12. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Grava=E7=E3o_OK=2E_=28Era=3A_Re=3A_Dis=
cus?=
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s=E3o_na_AR=29?= (Paulo de Carvalho)
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> Porque =E9 que n=E3o nos deixam em paz? Envio um resumo mais tarde, m=
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> agora tenho algumas horas para convencer eurodeputados.
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> CODE have a resources page at
> http://www.ipjustice.org/code.shtml
>
> The rapporteur for JURI is Fourtou. CODE don't like her report, but one
> good thing in it is that she is proposing to exclude patents from the ran=
ge
> of IP that the measures would apply to
> http://www.europarl.eu.int/meetdocs/committees/juri/20031001/498789EN.pdf
>
> She says she has been working closely with the interest groups and the
> Commission, because she hopes they will be able to adopt her report as law
> straight after the first reading, ie without any more alterations. (This =
ma=
> y
> be a ploy to beat down resistance).
>
> Her earlier interim report is also online, at:
> http://www.europarl.eu.int/meetdocs/committees/juri/20031001/495099en.pdf
>
>
> Luis Berenguer Fuster's draft opinion for ITRE can be found at
> http://www.europarl.eu.int/meetdocs/committees/itre/20031001/497744en.pdf
>
> and the amendments submitted by ITRE at
> http://www.europarl.eu.int/meetdocs/committees/itre/20031001/502051en.pdf
>
> I couldn't find anything on the web to say which exactly which amendments
> made it into the final ITRE report and which didn't. If anyone needs to
> know, they had better contact Laurence.
>
> Berenguer Fuster's report doesn't explicitly propose to exclude patents, =
bu=
> t
> proposes to limit the application of the provisions to "counterfeiting" o=
nl=
> y
> (Am.3 to Article 2 para 1), with a new amendment (Am. 4) to define
> counterfeiting: "For the purposes of this directive counterfeiting shall=
b=
> e
> deemed to exist when an intellectual property right is deliberately and
> fraudulently infringed".
>
>
> The amendments that Laurence was talking about from the generics industry
> appear to be all the ones submitted by Danielle Auroi, mostly adding the
> words "In cases of deliberate counterfeiting or piracy" to the measures a=
nd
> procedures clauses. From what Laurence says, it seems that these didn't
> make it into the final ITRE report; but possibly because the committee fe=
lt
> this limitation was already written in by the draftsman's amendments.
>
>
> Reminder: according to Laurence, any further amendments for JURI need to =
be
> submitted by Wednesday.
>
>
>
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> > Reminder: according to Laurence, any further amendments for JURI need t=
o =
> be
> > submitted by Wednesday.
>
> I have put some more ressources on
>
> http://www.ffii.org/proj/euipd/index.en.html
>
> There's also a mailing list managed by Olaf Buddenhagen at
>
> http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/euipd/
>
> Some amendments have been produced by Ville Oksanen, to be made accessible
> via the ressources page.
>
> I welcome any letter draft and publish it there. A wiki extension is of
> course also available.
>
> And translation meanwhile works without personal intervention via
> mlhtimport arroba a2e.de, see
>
> http://swpat.ffii.org/group/langtxt/index.en.html
>
> and the carefully written french version
>
> http://swpat.ffii.org/group/langtxt/index.fr.html
>
> on how to best use this facility.
>
> --=20
> Hartmut Pilch, FFII & Eurolinux Alliance tel. +49-89-18979927
> Protecting Innovation against Patent Inflation http://swpat.ffii.org/
> 270,000 votes 2000 firms against software patents http://noepatents.or=
g/
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:57:07 +0100
> From: Paulo de Carvalho <plc arroba netcabo.pt>
> To: Ruben Leote Mendes <ruben arroba nocturno.org>,
> ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BANSOL-geral=5DAlgu=E9=
m_tem_TvCabo=3F?=
>
>
> Não encontro o canal do Parlamento (ARtv). :(
>
> Sei que é no canal 24 da Tv Cabo, mas não o encontro...
> e que :
>
> Freq: 12012MHZ
> Transponder: 58
> Polarização: V
> SR: 27500
> FEC: 3/4
>
> Mas com estes dados estão mais uma série
> de canais:
>
> Canal
> TV Cabo Canal Freq.(MHZ)-Trasponder-Polarização-SR-FEC
> 10 SIC SEMPRE GOLD 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 13 HISTÓRIA 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 43 TVI EVENTOS 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 40 TV CANÇÃO NOVA 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 21 CANAL 21 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 6 SIC MULHER 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 9 SIC RADICAL 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 24 PARLAMENTO 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
> 4 CANAL PANDA 12012MHZ-58-V-27500-3/4
>
>
>
>
> Ruben Leote Mendes wrote:
>
> > Olá Paulo,
> >
> > Querias concerteza enviar a resposta para a lista e não apenas para m=
im,
> > por isso estou a responder para a lista.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 11:52:43AM +0100, Paulo de Carvalho wrote:
> >> Eu tenho TvCabo e placa de captura TV, agora vamos lá ver se tenho d=
isco ;)
> >
> > Se achas que não tens espaço para video grava apenas em audio.
> >
> >> Na quarta feira vou tentar deixar a gravar. Sugiro é que se houver m=
ais
> >> alguém que o pudesse fazer também, seria o ideal, já que o meu e=
quipamento
> >> não é do melhor e tem tendência a falhar. :)
> >
> > Mais alguém?
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:40:10 +0100
> From: Paulo de Carvalho <plc arroba netcabo.pt>
> CC: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Algu=E9m_tem_TvCabo=3F?=
>
>
>
> Paulo de Carvalho wrote:
>
> >
> > Não encontro o canal do Parlamento (ARtv). :(
>
>
> Já o encontrei, está na estação S37 :)
>
> Não o encontrava porque o canal não emite em contínuo.
>
> Bem, vou tentar então pôr a gravar...
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Miguel Neves <joao arroba silvaneves.org>
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Organization:
> Date: 08 Oct 2003 10:51:57 +0100
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>
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> Quem quiser distribuir folhetos e CDs, convinha aparecer mais cedo (tipo
> 14h. =C9 por essa hora que os deputados voltam do almo=E7o. Estou a p=
lanear
> andar por l=E1 a essa hora...
>
> Mais algu=E9m?
> --=20
> Jo=E3o Miguel Neves <joao arroba silvaneves.org>
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> Message: 6
> From: Hugo Nogueira <hnogueira arroba april.org>
> Reply-To: hnogueira arroba april.org
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: Re: [ANSOL-geral]Ida =?iso-8859-1?q?=E0?= AR
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:23:05 +0200
> Organization: APRIL
> Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=E3o=20Miguel=20Neves?= <joao arroba silvaneves.o=
rg>
>
> Ol=E0 a todos !
>
> > Provavelmente knoppix e gnuwin. Algu=E9m tem outras sugest=F5es?
>
> Penso na Kurumin, que =E9 baseada no Knoppix mas vem toda em Portugu==
EAs (d=
> o=20
> Brasil), cabe num mini-cd (bolsa de camisa) e =E9 mais orientada deskto=
p pa=
> ra=20
> quem vem de Windows.
> Eu j=E0 experimentei essa distribui=E7ao-live e tambem j=E0 instale=
i, posso=
> dizer=20
> que =E9 muito boa e faz boa impressao. E agora a que eu uso em vez da=
=20
> Knoppix-MiB.=20
> Site : http://www.kurumin.org/
>
> Um abra=E7o a todos ;)
>
> Hugo.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: Hugo Nogueira <hnogueira arroba april.org>
> Reply-To: hnogueira arroba april.org
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:35:13 +0200
> Organization: APRIL
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]Reportagem sobre o Software Livre na Estramadura (E=
spanha) na Euronews
>
> Aqui est=E0 :
> http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=3Deuropeans&langue=3Dpo
>
> Extracto : "Extrematura espanhola, uma das regi=F5es mais pobres da Eur=
opa,=
> =20
> encabe=E7a o desenvolvimento de software livre e a liga=E7=E3o de a=
lunos =
> =E0 net. A=20
> seguir, em Europeans."
>
> Um abra=E7o ;)
>
> Hugo.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: Hugo Nogueira <hnogueira arroba april.org>
> Reply-To: hnogueira arroba april.org
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: Re: [ANSOL-geral]Reportagem no Euronews sobre o GNU/Linex
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:03:30 +0200
> Organization: APRIL
>
> E p=E0, nao tinha visto ! Desculpem ;)
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> Message: 9
> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Miguel Neves <joao arroba silvaneves.org>
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Organization:
> Date: 08 Oct 2003 23:18:01 +0100
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Discuss=E3o?= na AR
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> Encontram a minha vers=E3o dos acontecimentos, com base nos apontamentos
> que tomei:
>
> http://www.ansol.org/ansolwiki/SoftwareLivreNaAdministra_e7_e3oP_fablicaP=
ro=
> jectoLeiDiscuss_e3o
>
> Uma das coisas que n=E3o anotei foram as "bocas". Se algu=E9m tiver f=
eito a
> grava=E7=E3o podem ver depois...
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> Jo=E3o Miguel Neves <joao arroba silvaneves.org>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:35:49 +0100
> From: Paulo de Carvalho <plc arroba netcabo.pt>
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BANSOL-geral=5DDiscuss=
=E3o_na_AR?=
>
> O Canal Parlamento está a retransmitir, em diferido, a sessão do ple=
nário da tarde.
> Neste momento: 23:33 ainda não começou a ser discutida a proposta do =
Bloco de Esquerda.
>
> Já sabem: Canal S37 da TV Cabo.
>
> João Miguel Neves wrote:
>
> > Encontram a minha versão dos acontecimentos, com base nos apontamentos
> > que tomei:
> >
> > http://www.ansol.org/ansolwiki/SoftwareLivreNaAdministra_e7_e3oP_fablic=
aProjectoLeiDiscuss_e3o
> >
> > Uma das coisas que não anotei foram as "bocas". Se alguém tiver fei=
to a
> > gravação podem ver depois...
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:57:11 +0100
> From: Ruben Leote Mendes <ruben arroba nocturno.org>
> To: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: Re: [ANSOL-geral]Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BANS?=
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?OL-geral=5DDiscuss=E3o?= na AR
>
> Olá Paulo,
>
> Chegaste a gravar em directo? Em caso negativo estás a gravar agora?
>
> Um abraço.
> Ruben
>
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:35:49PM +0100, Paulo de Carvalho wrote:
> > O Canal Parlamento está a retransmitir, em diferido, a sessão do p=
lenário
> > da tarde.
> > Neste momento: 23:33 ainda não começou a ser discutida a proposta d=
o Bloco
> > de Esquerda.
> >
> > Já sabem: Canal S37 da TV Cabo.
> >
> > João Miguel Neves wrote:
> >
> > >Encontram a minha versão dos acontecimentos, com base nos apontament=
os
> > >que tomei:
> > >
> > >http://www.ansol.org/ansolwiki/SoftwareLivreNaAdministra_e7_e3oP_fabli=
caProjectoLeiDiscuss_e3o
> > >
> > >Uma das coisas que não anotei foram as "bocas". Se alguém tiver fe=
ito a
> > >gravação podem ver depois...
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 01:06:35 +0100
> From: Paulo de Carvalho <plc arroba netcabo.pt>
> To: Ruben Leote Mendes <ruben arroba nocturno.org>
> CC: ansol-geral arroba listas.ansol.org
> Subject: [ANSOL-geral]=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Grava=E7=E3o_OK=2E_=28Era=
=3A_Re=3A_Discus?=
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?s=E3o_na_AR=29?=
>
>
> Gravação OK. :)
>
> ~1GB em bruto. Vou agora proceder ao encoding e talvez a um ajuste na fai=
xa de som já
> que a emissão começou com o desfasamento no som vs imagem de cerca de=
um segundo, ao
> estilo das telenovelas venuzuelanas...
>
> Em princípio irei utilizar o Cinelerra para editar. Alguém tem sugest=
ões quanto ao
> codec a utilizar?
>
> Ruben Leote Mendes wrote:
>
> > Olá Paulo,
> >
> > Chegaste a gravar em directo? Em caso negativo estás a gravar agora?
>
> À tarde deixei a gravar. Como a discussão da proposta do BE começou
> muito tarde, o disco não chegou... Para sorte minha as sessões do ple=
nário
> da tarde são retransmitidas em diferido à noite e em compacto aos S=
ábados,
> o que me deu oportunidade de a gravar agora à noite.
>
> Cumps
> PC
>
>
>
>
>
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